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Freeza's 1%
Topic Started: Feb 15 2017, 11:04 AM (730 Views)
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Where did this popular belief begin? I know for a fact it's not in the manga. The whole thing could mispresent a lot of battle power lists if it's inaccurate to Toriyama's true vision.
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Feb 15 2017, 11:04 AM
Where did this popular belief begin? I know for a fact it's not in the manga. The whole thing could mispresent a lot of battle power lists if it's inaccurate to Toriyama's true vision.
What's "Freezer 1%" exactly?
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Apparently the level of power he used before fighting Goku.
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Feb 15 2017, 11:28 AM
Apparently the level of power he used before fighting Goku.
Ok I don't think that's what happened in the manga. In the anime it may be argued because it was implied that Goku activated the KKx10 after Freezer used his 50% of strength, but in the manga Goku was already using the KKx10 since the beginning of the fight (the KKx10 had its aura never drawn in any panel, and it's activation was never stated -only that Goku was already using it- so it had to be activated before arriving at the battlefield) so Freezer's initial strength may have been it's 25% since the very beginning (he increased his speed, true, but that could've been him simply moving faster without increasing his power).
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I think the anime started the misconception of 1% Freeza. Though what it matters, I do not know. From what I remember, it doesn't really contradict anything.
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I'm pretty sure it's from the Funimation dub, where Freeza said he was using less than 1% of his power. In the japanese anime and manga, there is no mention of the amount of power he was using pre 50%.
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Feb 15 2017, 11:43 AM
I think the anime started the misconception of 1% Freeza. Though what it matters, I do not know. From what I remember, it doesn't really contradict anything.
Regarding the manga, it really contradicts some things. For example, Goku's strength varies a lot depending on if we assume he was using the KK since the beginning or if he wasn't.
If he wasn't, then his power had to be bigger than Vegeta's, and Vegeta was far above the million units at that point.
A base Goku stronger than that completely contradicts the 40 tons feat from the Bu saga (Goku needed to turn into a SSJ to move with weights of 40 tons on him), which clearly points towards Goku having between 300k and 400k of strength.

It also contradicts Cell's absorptions. Base Goku was much, much below Kami-Piccolo, and thanks to the data given in the Cell saga (in the manga) we know Kami-Piccolo had between 3 and 4 million units of strength (he probably was at around 3.5 millions), that would be impossible if base Goku was already that high.

So that Freezer's 1% theory certainly contradicts the manga at some points at least.
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It's only a problem if you're a minimalist when it comes to battle powers. If you scale with much bigger gaps, it's really no problem.
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Emmeth
Feb 15 2017, 11:55 AM
It's only a problem if you're a minimalist when it comes to battle powers. If you scale with much bigger gaps, it's really no problem.
If we don't pay attention at the feats that contradict that 1% theory then of course there's no problem with that theory. But when sticking to what's said on the manga, there are clear contradictions.
I mean, you can use bigger gaps, but then we should also check if those gaps are consistent with the gaps we saw in the manga and to what those gaps translated into when the data was given.
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Isn't 2nd form Frieza basically 1% Frieza though? :V
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Emmeth
Feb 15 2017, 11:28 AM
Apparently the level of power he used before fighting Goku.
Dubline. It was never said or hinted in the japanese version

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Feb 15 2017, 12:13 PM
Isn't 2nd form Frieza basically 1% Frieza though? :V
Sticking with the manga's feats, that was more like 10% of his power (maybe a bit less than that, but much closer to it than a 1%).
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Feb 15 2017, 12:13 PM
Isn't 2nd form Frieza basically 1% Frieza though? :V
Yep, a non-specific "over one million" would be roughly 1% of his full 120 million power. His initial true-form power against Vegeta and Goku, probably like 4 million, would be more like 3% of his full.

As others have beat me to saying, I'm like 99% sure that the "one percent" thing is a old misleading dub-ism.
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Yeah, it's an old mis lead dub-ism. Freeza said in the fight against Vegeta (?) he was using 1% of his power, which... isn't so wrong if we aren't adepts to the 120,000,000 number for Freeza, and rather think he was much higher. But even so, I think the 1% is kind of an impossibility.
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It's in the FUNimation english dub for the anime. Frieza states that he had only been using 1% of his power.
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